Ayesha Jalal: Pakistan’s Revenge of the ’40s, then the ’80s

It takes a historian of Ayesha Jalal‘s power to crystallize an awkward truth: that the agony of Pakistan today is inseparable from the tragedy of Pakistan’s birth in 1947. Still more bluntly, that Pakistan as we know it is not at all the country that its sainted founder, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, had in mind. As she puts it in conversation, “Complete partition was the last thing he wanted…”

It is an argument that made her famous in her first book: The Sole Spokesman: Jinnah, the Muslim League and the Demand for Pakistan (1985). The Muslim nation that Jinnah championed was a state of mind more than a nation state. Separation from India was a bargaining ploy more than it was a demand in principle. What Jinnah wanted was a power-sharing arrangement at the all-India level, between his own Muslim League and the mostly Hindu Congress Party. He wanted equal standing, that is, in a pluralistic Union of India, but never a bordered nation, and still less an arbitrary dismemberment of the Muslims’ two great regional powerbases: the Punjab in the northwest of India and Bengal in the East. She is speaking of the history that stalks Pakistan and the wider world: Partition in the 1940s, and then the Cold War in the 1980s.

If you’re talking about Pakistan as it stands today — Pakistan with its bouts of unreasonableness, its treatment of minorities, the killing of minorities, the blasphemy laws, a whole succession of things — it’s clearly not the Pakistan that the founder of Pakistan imagined. The founder of Pakistan was first and foremost a constitutional lawyer, who believed in the supremacy of the law — something that has never somehow caught the imagination of Pakistanis. They may talk about it, but there is no law. Each man is a law unto himself. Whoever can grab it, that’s it. So that’s a fundamental departure. Second, when Jinnah spoke of Pakistan as a Muslim state, he envisioned a democratic, enlightened Pakistan. So what I’m saying is that there are many levels at which this country departs from Jinnah’s ideals. But the most interesting thing I’ve discovered is that by the same token, everyone or most people do hark back to Jinnah’s Pakistan. So while they have moved away from Jinnah’s Pakistan as an ideal, it remains as a main point of discussion. That is something hopeful, I think…

Pakistan’s problems go back to the moment of its creation. But there’s no denying that changes in the strategic situation post the Soviet invasion [Christmas eve, 1979] were a watershed. The military regime was not simply ridding the region of the Soviet presence, but was using that threat to Pakistan’s existence to solidify its own rule within Pakistan. The Soviet invasion came as a great boost to General Zia’s regime. It brought him lots of greenbacks. It was a period of prosperity. And it was a decisive step not only because of the uses made of militant Islam to allow the war against the Soviets, but also because the infusion of US dollars (matched dollar for dollar by Saudi money) resulted in a scenario where the society was up for sale. It was a transformative process. It saw the further entrenchment of the military’s role in Pakistan. It resulted in a further fragmentation and polarization of civil society. There is no question that a three-decade-long policy has taken a very heavy toll on Pakistan: the arms and drugs economy, the weapons that made their way into Pakistan — they didn’t all go to Afghanistan; a lot of money came to Pakistan as well. That is where the qualitative changes take place… The 80s are crucial in Pakistan’s history, and I think in global history.

Ayesha Jalal at home in Lahore with Chris Lydon, mid-summer 2011.

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    • Sabeeh

      Dear Mr Hendrickson,
      I agree with you when you say ” The last people who should have access to nuclear weapons are those who are enslaved by religious and nationalistic ideologies”. So it means USA should scrap its nuclear weapons because of its nationalistic ideology i.e. Greater American Dream!!

  • Zulfikar Ali Gorar

    Dear Christopher Lydon
    You are doing a great job revealing various aspects of Pakistani history from a different perspective. The ideas and issues Ayesha has raised are not new. What she is saying in 2011. Mr. G.M Syed ( politician from Sindh) used to write in 50’s and 60’s. For this he was put behind bars for more than 20 years and died in captivity. I would encourage you to broadcast a program on his writings and their interpretation in this context. I would also encourage you to interview Dr. Mubarak Ali a historian based in Lahore who has a progressive interpretation of Pakistan’s history and he talks no-nonsense.

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  • Zia-ul-Haq Al Shaitan

    Very Nice! Thanks for the up load.

  • aslam khwaja

    I as a social activist agree with her that killing of benazir bhutto has sped up the process of unfolding of events but regarding anti american sentiments she considers punjab as pakistan because one can not see anti american sentiments with sindhis, baloch and a section of pashtuns who are fighting against the wahabi jihadi islam.

  • Potter

    She’s terrific. Thank you for this overview of the history of Pakistan. Pakistani dysfunction is incomprehensible even astonishing especially after listening to so many intelligent articulate insightful interviews.

  • Karan

    Pakistan is a creation based on foolish funduu ideas and so will end into it’s own absurdity. In every sense , past present and future PAKI-LUND is and always be nothing more than the creation of a complete arse small minded person named Jinnah and his Guru ONEBAAL !!!

  • Nikhil

    Ayesha ended up sounding conspiratorial and less of a scholar.